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Killzone2 Demo Controller Lag

A tal inércia de 0,5 que me tira do sério...




resposta oficial:

"I have been looking at this with one of our Game Designers and we are starting to come to the conclusion that this is down primarily to the design decision to make the game weightier. Killzone 2 is not a 'twitchy' shooter like some of you might be (rightfully) accustomed to and we think it might simply be down to some growing pains on some people's behalf. In this demo we also did not add the section that comes before this where a player would naturally climatize to the controls and have simply dumped you on Corinth River, so I think a lot of these complaints will be negated by the players natural progression through the full game.

So at this moment we are not considering it a bug, or anything that needs to be patched"

Mas parece que o delay é só com o stick:

Já estive a fazer algumas experiencias e de facto existe um delay mas é só quando se mexe a cabeça.
Isto nada tem a ver com a tv.
A disparar, a lançar granadas, a andar etc tem resposta imediata. Só faz delay com o stick da direita. Quanto maior a sensiblidade menos se nota.
É estranho e não compreendo porque fizeram aquilo assim.

opinião de um user:

Num jogo, a resposta aos controlos deveria ser sempre imediata. Não é correcto eu dar uma ordem e ela não ter resposta no milésimo de segundo a seguir.
Aumentar a sensiblidade não é uma boa solução porque depois tem-se outro tipo de problemas, tipo dificuldade em acertar em alguma coisa.

Outra:

alguns dizem que não se devia alterar a sensibilidade porque depois havia pessoal a virar-se muito depressa no multiplayer. Eu no COD de vez em quando apanho com cada 1 que devido ao lag o boneco ainda está virado de costas para mim já eu estou morto
Eu sinceramente acho que com uns pequenos retoques na jogabilidade ficava mais acessível, realmente acho que não é tanto a sensibilidade, já que com ela a máximo parece-me difícil de por a mira onde quero precisamente. Acho que o problema é uma zona morta no stick direito que não permite dar toques muito pequenos...

Sincerament eu nao so acho que esta bem como ate gosto, pensem que aquilo é uma guerra, tudo pesa, e não é pouco um soldado equipado por sistema é lento. se não estão agradados tem sempre n e n jogos qe fazem os 360 em fração de segundo, não entendo porque tanto bater no cego, nem tudo é erro, é opção

Edge dá 7/10 ao KZ2:

The latest issue of Edge, number 199 to be precise, has given Guerrilla Game’s nuclear-shooter a rather surprising 7/10.

This goes against the grain of the almost perfect scores the game has received so far.

Just what gameplay elements the magazine felt was lacking remains to be seen.

The full list of review scores in the issue are as follows:

* Killzone 2 - 7
* FEAR 2: Project Origin - 8
* Halo Wars - 7
* Race Pro - 8
* House of the Dead: Overkill - 8
* Let’s Tap - 8
* Deadly Creatures - 5
* The Maw - 5
* Lord of the Rings: Conquest - 2
* Tenchu: Stealth Assassins - 6
* Crayon Physics Deluxe - 7
* Flower - 7
* Boing! Docomodake - 7
* Klonoa: Door to Phantomile - 6

Gostaria de saber o que eles criticam...

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Jogo lançado dia 26 de Fevereiro em Portugal:

Depois dos fãs terem esperado tanto tempo por um dos jogos mais aguardados para a PS3, a Sony Computer Entertainment Portugal anunciou hoje a data definitiva de Killzone 2 para o nosso território.

O jogo que foi desenvolvido pela Guerrila Games e que já se encontra na fase de duplicação, vai chegar às lojas portuguesas no dia 26 de Fevereiro com os menus e legendas totalmente em português.

Para aqueles que ainda não possuem uma PS3 e que querem muito ter este jogo, a Sony promete juntar o útil ao agradável lançando um pack que inclui o jogo e a consola modelo 80 GB.

Aqueles que não conhecem ou que estão indecisos quanto à compra do jogo, aconselhamos a passarem pela nossa página do Killzone 2 e a aguardar pela nossa análise que será publicada dentro de dias.

"Target-render" por favor. "CGI" é heresia...!!! "Killzone 2", segundo Phil Harrison:

E3: SCEE's Phil Harrison talks PlayStation 3
Only days after the unveiling of Sony's next-generation PlayStation stunned the industry, GamesIndustry.biz sat down with Sony Computer Entertainment Europe's executive VP of development, Phil Harrison, to find out more about the hardware, the demos - and what, exactly, was running in real-time.

"PlayStation 3 is going to be cheaper to develop for than the corresponding period of PS2 development..."

Everyone expected PlayStation 3 to be quite impressive, but many people were shocked at just how much of a leap ahead of current-gen technology was showcased by Sony at its events here in Los Angeles on Monday and Tuesday. The reaction has, however, been mixed; those who saw the real-time demos in person have been left jaws agape, while those who didn't are generally highly sceptical of Sony's claims.

It's perhaps unsurprising that it turned out like this - after all, Sony could be accused of acting like the boy who cried wolf in the last generation, when PlayStation 2 and its much-hyped Emotion Engine turned out to be rather less impressive than Ken Kutaragi's rhetoric and a number of pre-rendered demonstrations might have suggested.

If PS3 really is a subterfuge - and to be honest, we don't believe for a moment that it is - then Phil Harrison would be one of the chief architects of the conspiracy. The head of Sony's development efforts in Europe, Harrison stands behind many of the most impressive demos and game trailers seen so far on PS3. We caught up with him at E3 to find out more about the new console's hardware, the software we've seen so far - and to ask the burning question about how much of it was real-time.

GamesIndustry.biz: One question on the lips of many people at the moment: how much of what we saw in the PlayStation 3 demos was actually running in real-time?

Phil Harrison: Everything in the demos was real-time.

And what about the game footage clips?

Not all of that - in fact, none of it was real-time because it was all running off video. If you make a presentation to two and a half thousand people, you're going to put some of it on video just to be on the safe side.

I've been asked this question a lot. The way we put those videos together, everything was done to specification. Everything was done to PS3 spec. Virtually everything used in-game assets; some things were rendered.

How representative of what we're actually going to be seeing in PS3 games were those videos?

I think very. I think depending on the game, different games took a different approach to their way of expressing what the games are like - but clearly, something like Motor Storm uses more cinematic, replay-like cameras than you would ever enjoy in-game. So that makes a big difference... But everything is done to spec.

A fairly significant number of the games we saw - including many of the most impressive ones - were from European studios. Is this indicative of SCEE perhaps focusing more on preparing for next-gen than other territories?

I just think we had great stuff to show! Yeah, I'm really proud of the way the European content has been received, and I'm delighted with the response to Heavenly Sword, Motor Storm and Killzone in particular.

But even things like The Getaway technical test - and I was at pains to point out that this was not Getaway PS3, this was what happens when a team rolls off a game and we start getting them thinking about what is their vision for taking that technology and scaling it up. I think it was a good A to B comparison, because people know what Getaway looks like on PS2, and then they were able to ramp that up on to PS3 - albeit on very early prototype hardware, so it was a bit painful along the way for them! I thought that was a great example.

So The Getaway was one of the things that was running on real hardware?

Yeah, good example - I mean, you could see actually, the way that those cameras worked. That zoom-in camera was done in real-time to capture the kind of video-like footage that we had.

Some of the developers who worked on demos for the launch have said that even those aren't running on hardware approaching the full power of the final unit - so what percentage of the full performance was that running on?

It's really hard to say, because as technology gets more and more complicated, there's no concept of the "perfect" engine. We used to say on 16-bit that a game used 90 per cent of the machine's power, or Gran Turismo uses, you know, 94 per cent of PlayStation 1's power... There's no concept of the perfect game engine that uses everything. So it's hard to say.

We're thinking more in terms of the actual hardware - the clock speed of the chips, and so on.

It varies between developers, because we've got different variants of the hardware with different performance characteristics. Obviously as you get closer and closer to production hardware - and typically, the final devkit that you get is production hardware, near as damn it finished - as you get closer and closer, you're using more and more like the final silicon, which will be more and more like the final clock speed.

So it only gets better from here on in - which is pretty astonishing, to think about the implications of that actually. But faster, more powerful - where you use that power is a different issue.

Was most of what we saw really just showing off the graphics capabilities - stretching the RSX graphics part rather than the Cell chip? The assumption is that Cell is there for complex physics and AI...

You're right; obviously Cell allows you to do complex collisions, physics, dynamics, simulations, all of those things. Though, the Getaway demo was a good example of how you can have a living city brought to life as a result. Although it was pretty graphics, most of that power was actually Cell-based.

The Doc Ock head - the Alfred Molina head - is actually more of a Cell demo than it is a graphics demo, because we're calculating hugely complicated light sources in real-time on the Cell, even to the point where we calculate the angle at which light enters the skin, the way that the light is then coloured by your blood, and the way that it is then reflected back out. It's something called transmission. Skin is hugely complicated - if I put my finger over a light, for example, you can see that the light is coming through my skin. We were simulating that - emulating, simulating, kind of a fine line - we were simulating that on the Doc Ock head demo.

So that's really pushing the Cell rather than the graphics chipset?

Yeah. Those are really hardcore maths problems which the Cell is really good at solving.

It's not just the RSX that drives the graphical quality, then - the Cell can also really be used to improve the graphics.

Well, I'll give you a couple of other examples. The terrain rendering demo that was done by STI, which is the people who developed the Cell, doesn't use the graphics chip at all. That 3D landscape was generated in real-time from two input data sources and a software renderer running on the Cell created the final image. All that it does is output as a bitmap straight to the video hardware - it doesn't even create a single polygon, there's no concept of a polygon in that demo.

How long did the developers of the various launch demos have their hands on the PS3 hardware for?

It varies from two to probably five months. We've had Cell for a bit longer than we've had the graphics chip - at least, a working graphics chip. We've had our devkits for just over five months now.

Something the PS2 was widely criticised for - and which Microsoft in particular has played up very much - is being extremely hard to develop for. How does PS3 compare in that respect?

It always made me chuckle, that comment from Microsoft, because yeah, it's true, but it didn't stop us having thousands of games and 80 per cent market share. Having said that, there is an element of truth to it - PlayStation 2's architecture was more challenging for your average developer to get their heads around. Some were capable of getting their heads around it, some weren't.

PlayStation 3, I think, is going to be cheaper to develop for than the corresponding period of PS2 development. I know that's a fairly contentious statement to make, but there's a very good reason for that. When we announced the collaboration with NVIDIA, we just talked about them making a chip - actually, they don't make anything, they're a designer, and the RSX contains an NVIDIA-designed part, which gives us fantastic GPU capabilities. But what it also gives us, and this is actually the most important bit of it, is all the toolchain and CG pipeline that comes with it, which is a very well understood development pipeline in the PC community - and, yes, in the Xbox community, frankly.

So all of that pipeline of tools and technology and plug-ins comes straight across to PlayStation 3. Plus, on the Cell side of things, IBM brings a lot of expertise and know-how to the table. Also, as you know, the PS2's EE had two microprogrammable devices, VU0 and VU1 - which were incredibly fast, incredibly powerful chips that were very difficult to program for because of their very specialist nature and the programming skills required.

Within PlayStation 3, the Cell chip, although it has a number of components inside it, they're all general-purpose CPUs. They can be programmed at a much much higher level.

So we're going to see people writing for those in C, rather than having to mess around with VU code?

Absolutely. Messing around with VU code... Yeah, it's true. It's not for the faint-hearted, for sure.

In terms of your devkits - obviously some people have them already, so what's the schedule going forward for delivering them to developers?

Well, clearly Monday and Tuesday have been our big coming-out parties. We're now public, so we can now be a lot more open with all of our partners about what we're doing. You'll see a lot more devkits rolling out - but exact schedules, who they're going to and what they do is not something I can discuss here.

You're going to start rolling them out more rapidly now, though?

Yeah, for sure. We've been making them for some time, but obviously they're not in abundant supply at the moment.

In terms of the PS3 console itself... Why does it have three network ports on the back?

Because it can be a hub, rather than just being a terminal at the end of a network. Also, we want to be able to have a Gigabit port for an IP camera. So one of the ports is an in, and two of them are through. It can be a server as well as a terminal.

You showed demonstrations of the console running multiple applications across the two HDMI outputs - is that something which is actually built into the system's operating systems, or do games have to support it specifically?

Depending on the features that you exploit, some of it's handled by the OS, some of it will be handled by the applications. I should also explain that although yes, there are two HDMI outputs, you don't have to have only high-def devices attached to PlayStation 3 - there's also a standard PlayStation AV Multi-Out connector. So one of them could be an HD output, and one of them could be an AV Multi going to the TV.

Taking the demonstration of the video chat windows in one screen while a game was being played in another - is that something we can expect as a standard OS feature, independent of the game?

The Cell can run multiple operating systems, so yes, you could do that. Now, we don't have the application up and running yet, and the resource management isn't quite final - but the purpose of that presentation was to show what is possible. Exactly how that gets unlocked is still being worked on.

Online is one area where, without a doubt, Microsoft did get it rather more right than Sony last generation - Xbox Live being a much more comprehensive worldwide service than what Sony rolled out...

But more people play online games on a PlayStation 2 than on any other game console.

Right, but then a lot more people own PlayStation 2s than any other game console.

Yeah, but it is something that is worth pointing out - although, personally I have a great deal of respect for what Microsoft has done with Live, and I think they've got a lot of it right.

Can we expect to see Sony really working to catch up in that department on PS3?

I think that philosophically, PlayStation 2's online offering is an add-on to the hardware and software and operating system. In PlayStation 3, online is part of the DNA of the machine - in fact, the Cell processor itself is designed from the ground up to be connected to a broadband network.

So from switch on, day one of the machine, network functionality will pervade every aspect of the machine. We talked a little bit about that at the conference, but there's a lot more detail to go into about some of the really cool things - like, if your PS3 is switched on at home, it can be a media server to your PSP on the other side of the planet. Now that is incredibly cool. I could sit here in LA and navigate the data which is stored on my PS3, and download music and other data off my PS3, onto my PSP.

Entrevista aqui



Playlist de 29 videos... (29 cut-scenes):





kit pra "imprensa"...houve um a venda no ebay mas ja foi ha uns dias:




novos vídeos de novos capitulos do jogo:

http://jv247.com/games/667-VIDEOS-Killzone-2.html

Os lábios sincronizados como deveriam ser neste Killzone2:



Vídeo do cockpit:

http://jv247.com/games/667-VIDEO992-Lost-Helghan.html

Gamepro Killzone 2 Review

5/5

Pros: Fantastic single-player campaign; even better multiplayer; amazing graphics

Cons: Frame rate issues when loading new areas; ugly menus; weapon aiming system can be frustrating

The review itself isn't very interesting, but I'll post a few interesting quotes...

"A PS3 shooter good enough to turn Master Chief green with envy."

"...already reeks of shooter of the year."

"...face-meltingly intense campaign and robust multiplayer..."

"...lives up to the hype and is a must-play FPS for fans."

Oh and they gave it game of the month against SFIV(5/5) FEAR 2(4/5), Skate 2(4/5) and various others.

Na neoGAF relacionado com esta review:

For the record, loading issues and menu interactivity have been sorted in the final build. Bear in mind, the review build was not the final build. Most print reviews will be based off the first review build that had a few issues that have since been ironed out.

Killzone 2: “I Have To Believe” - artigo na V4VG.com:

I’ll try and keep this short because my fingers are not in tandem with my brain at the moment, after spending xx number of hours playing the review code of Killzone 2, I cannot help but say it was one of the most exhilarating experiences in my gaming lifetime. I had forced myself to keep low expectations, since I had been dismayed numerous times by the so called heavy hitters on every platform and the incessant amount of hype that was thrust upon me by the so called mainstream and intellectually simulating gaming press.
Since words are a privilege at the moment, I will like to address the myriad variety of groups that exist out there and give them a single message (Groups include- fanboy/non fanboy, biased media outlet/unbiased media outlet, a 360/PS3/Wii/P.C. owner, all your gaming websites big fish and small ones)

Killzone 2 as a videogame will not create a revolution in gaming like the consequential shooters that have come and left their ideas behind, but it is one of ”the” games that you will “have” to pick up and play, to remember its experience etched in your memory for a long time to come. The game may not be perfect from every angle, but neither is anything that inhabits the planet, everyone who decides to base his/her verdict after playing the game will be convinced with the enormous effort Guerilla Games has put into their magnum ops, and crafted a true gem. Only a ludicrous buffoon would come back completely hating the game, for there is something in the experience that everyone will appreciate over a period of time.
Come back for a huge review during the first week of February.

Análise OPM Bélgica/Holanda:

91/100

Scans and tranlation of the Killzone 2 Review by OPM Netherlands.

"They say it's thechnically amazing, they say the atmosphere is really great but GG implemented less improvements in the FPS genre.

Graphics
Brilliant lightning and a many details that make KZ2 the best game graphically available for PS3. The Cutscenes are amazing.

Music & Sound
Overreacted death vocal reactions. In 7.1, Brian Cox takes the role as Visari.

SCANS

Sistema de ranking e pontos para desbloquear armas:

Vais jogando, e ganhando pontos (os que matas, se fores Medic ganhas 1 ponto pelos que revives, nas missões em que tens de destruir certos alvos ganhas pontos caso sejas tu a ter intervenção directa, etc)

Na Warzone ganhas 1 ponto por morte e perdes 3 caso faças um team-kill. No Body Count ganhas 3 pontos por morte... o ideal para evoluir depressa.

Ready to start your virtual accomplishment plan of attack on Killzone 2, Mr. Completist? The thought process begins now, thanks to a full list of 52 PlayStation Trophies for the PlayStation 3 game from PS3Trophies.org.


The fifty-odd digital accolades runs from the standard kill count crunching ("Kill 1500 Helghast soldiers") to the momentous ("Kill 2 Helghast at once and take your own life using a single frag grenade"). Yikes! Some sound simply beyond my old man means. There's no way I'll be appearing anywhere near the weekly online honor ranks. I don't even know what that means or what's required, but I'll never get it with all of you out there.

The full list is packed with amusing looking Trophy hunting, but is also potentially stuffed with spoilers. If nothing else, it should reignite your burning desire for Killzone 2.

Corinth Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Corinth River on any difficulty level
Blood Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Blood Meridian on any difficulty level
Visari Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Visari Square on any difficulty level
Salamun Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Salamun District on any difficulty level
Bridge Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Salamun Bridge on any difficulty level
Suljeva Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Suljeva Village on any difficulty level
Tharsis Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete Tharsis Refinery on any difficulty level
Cruiser Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Complete The Cruiser on any difficulty level
Pallbearer - Kill 500 Helghast Bronze Trophy
Kill 500 Helghast Soldiers
Undertaker - Kill 1000 Helghast Bronze Trophy
Kill 1000 Helghast soldiers
Reaper - Kill 1500 Helghast Bronze Trophy
Kill 1500 Helghast soldiers
Field Agent - Collect all intel Bronze Trophy
Collect all intel within the game
Iconoclast - Destroy all symbols Bronze Trophy
Destroy all Helghast symbols within the game
Babysitter - Revive 25 Buddies Bronze Trophy
Revive your buddies a total of 25 times
Safari Hunter - Kill each enemy infantry type with a melee attack Bronze Trophy
Kill one of each enemy infantry type with a melee attack
Killing Spree - Kill 5 Helghast in 15 seconds Bronze Trophy
Kill 5 Helghast in 15 seconds whilst on foot and maintaining at least 85% health
Bullet Counter - Manually reload 150 times Bronze Trophy
Manually reload your weapon 150 times
Safety First - Shoot off 100 helmets Bronze Trophy
Shoot off 100 Helghast helmets during battle
Berserker - Kill 25 Helghast with melee attacks Bronze Trophy
Kill 25 Helghast using melee attacks
Barrel of Death - Kill 3 Helghast using your environment Bronze Trophy
Kill 3 Helghast at once using the surrounding environment
Professional - 3 revolver headshots in a row Bronze Trophy
Get 3 headshots in a row using the same clip of M4 Revolver ammunition
Fragmerchant - Kill 5 Helghast using a single grenade Bronze Trophy
Kill 5 Helghast at once using a single frag grenade
Fragmartyr - Kill 2 Helghast whilst taking your own life Bronze Trophy
Kill 2 Helghast at once and take your own life using a single frag grenade
Melonpopper - 15 headshots using the sniper rifle Bronze Trophy
Get 15 headshots using the VC32 Sniper Rifle
Blade Runner - 75 kills with the knife Bronze Trophy
Kill 75 Helghast using the knife
Run and Gunner - Kill 3 Helghast with one burst of assault rifle fire Bronze Trophy
Kill 3 Helghast using an M82 or StA52 assault rifle without releasing the trigger
Defensive Fighter - Kill 30 Helghast with an emplaced weapon Bronze Trophy
Kill 30 Helghast using the StA3 fixed gun emplacement
Valor Medal Bronze Trophy
Achieve weekly online honor rank #2
Valor Citation Bronze Trophy
Achieve weekly online honor rank #1
Cross-Training Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Acquire all badge specific medals
Veteran Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Acquire all mission specific medals
Expert Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Acquire all combat specific medals
Wargod Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Acquire all remaining medals
Blitzkrieg Ribbon Bronze Trophy
Win 50 online matches
Maelstra Ribbon Silver Trophy
Complete Maelstra Barrens on any difficulty level
Survivor Silver Trophy
Complete all missions on any difficulty level
Untouchable Silver Trophy
Complete all missions on any difficulty level without dying
Valor Cross Silver Trophy
Achieve weekly online honor rank #3
Heroic Survivor Gold Trophy
Complete all missions on Elite difficulty level
Career Ribbon Gold Trophy
Achieve an online rank of General
Valor Grand Cross Gold Trophy
Achieve weekly online honor rank #4
War Hero Platinum Trophy
Collect all Killzone®2 trophies

Secret Trophies

Elementalslayer - Kill the ArcTrooper within 1 minute 30 seconds Bronze Trophy
Kill the Tharsis Refinery ArcTrooper in under 1 minute 30 seconds
Giantslayer - Kill the Heavy within 1 minute Bronze Trophy
Kill the Blood Meridian heavy in under 1 minute
Dragonslayer - Destroy the ATAC within 1 minute 30 seconds Bronze Trophy
Destroy the Salamun Bridge ATAC in under 1 minute 30 seconds
Demonslayer - Kill Radec within 20 minutes Bronze Trophy
Kill Radec at Visari Palace within 20 minutes
Stick Around - Nail 20 Helghast to the wall Bronze Trophy
Nail 20 Helghast to a wall using the Boltgun VC-21
Master Conductor - Electrocute 3 Helghast Bronze Trophy
Electrocute 3 Helghast with a single burst from the VC5 Electricity Gun
Can Opener - Destroy a Helghast APC Bronze Trophy
Destroy any Helghast APC during battle
Spare Parts - Destroy all Leech Pods Bronze Trophy
Destroy all Leech Pods in The Cruiser
Treadhead - Kill 30 Helghast whilst in the tank Bronze Trophy
Take 30 Helghast lives whilst using the ISA tank
Mechspert - Stomp 10 Helghast Bronze Trophy
Stomp 10 Helghast with your Exoskeleton in Maelstra Barrens